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James_Smailes  |  Nov 12 2007, 11:00 AM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 31 2007 Status: Offline | Afternoon all. So Graeme Horne looks like he is on his way to Doncaster Lakers for the whole of next season, what do FC fans make of that and is it the end for Horne at Hull? In football news Hull City have won back to back games for the first time and are on the rise, is it too premature to start talking about a possible challenge for the play-offs? Your opinions please. |
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| greavsie | Nov 12 2007, 11:05 AM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Fri Jun 15 2007 Status: Offline | Seems a strange one this James, why give G.Horne anew one year deal then loan him out for the season, have you heard any more on the Ben Ross/Peter Cusack stories |
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| hullfcer | Nov 12 2007, 11:07 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Wed Jun 27 2007 Status: Offline | The Horne one has completely pickled me James. Why give him a 1 year extension and then loan him out for the duration of that contract to NL2 where the standard is probably inferior to the academy??? |
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| James_Smailes | Nov 12 2007, 11:10 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 31 2007 Status: Offline | Quote: greavsie at Nov 12 2007, 12:05 PM wrote Seems a strange one this James, why give G.Horne anew one year deal then loan him out for the season, have you heard any more on the Ben Ross/Peter Cusack stories Hull have told me they have talked with both Ross and Cusack but haven't offered either player a deal as yet. I think Sharp has approached them to find out if they are prepared to come and now he's seeing who else is out there. He'll way up his options and pick from the best one available, that's my understanding of the situation. |
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| MR_HUTCHIE | Nov 12 2007, 11:11 AM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 10 2007 Status: Offline | i gave my views on this the other week if you recall james, but i think its a mek or break move for him as to his Hull career he has to shine and look like a world beater at that level or its goodbye |
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| James_Smailes | Nov 12 2007, 11:14 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 31 2007 Status: Offline | Quote: hullfcer at Nov 12 2007, 12:07 PM wrote The Horne one has completely pickled me James. Why give him a 1 year extension and then loan him out for the duration of that contract to NL2 where the standard is probably inferior to the academy??? There are a few possibilities. Firstly, Horne was signed as cover in the centres and wing (like he did last season) just in case Sharp couldn't bring someone in before the season started. Now Todd Byrne is signed Horne's chances of playing in the outside backs are slim. Also, with Ross and Cusack touted to come, it looks like Sharp is still trying to recruit another forward and with competition for places in the back row quite fierce, Horne's chances of an outing there are slim also. So he has become surplus to requirements. By sending him to Doncaster other than a full-time NL1 club Horne can still train with Hull and play each weekend with the Lakers. This way Sharp gets to keep an eye on him to see how he is going, plus it also means Horne will play regularly each week and not wollow in the 21s. NL2 is still probably more competitive than the Academy set-up. |
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| James_Smailes | Nov 12 2007, 11:18 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 31 2007 Status: Offline | Quote: MR_HUTCHIE at Nov 12 2007, 12:11 PM wrote i gave my views on this the other week if you recall james, but i think its a mek or break move for him as to his Hull career he has to shine and look like a world beater at that level or its goodbye I agree Hutchie and your comments from the other week still stand-up, Horn'es future at Hull is in the balance and he really needs to shine at Doncaster or he won't pull on a Hull shirt again. I hear John Kear wants him at Wakey, but i don't think Hull want him to go to a SL rival which you can understand. If Horne goes, which I understand he will and something will be official released by the club this week, then by my calculations it takes the squad numbers down to 24. With Hutch possibly leaving also thats 23, is the squad looking a little thin, what does everyone think? There is no doubt Hull have quality and one of the strongest 17s around, but another unlucky year like this year and do you think they could be in trouble? |
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| MR_HUTCHIE | Nov 12 2007, 11:19 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 10 2007 Status: Offline | Quote: James_Smailes at Nov 12 2007, 12:14 PM wrote NL2 is still probably more competitive than the Academy set-up. i would not say more competetive but its a lot more physical and a slower pace, he will learn a lot more about these sides of the game Agree that he was only signed as last ditch cover and your point on Byrne who will allow Whiting to become the back row cover |
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| hullfcer | Nov 12 2007, 11:22 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Wed Jun 27 2007 Status: Offline | I suppose the obvious assumption then would be to assume he signed Graeme Horne to play it safe should he of failed to acquire cover for Centre. As a keen follower of the acadmey i implore you to attend half a dozen academy games and half a dozen NL2 games and re-access your call that NL2 is a better place for him to be, with the exception of a few clubs. Any idea when the new boys arrive, i understand training gets underway today? |
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| _Monkey_ | Nov 12 2007, 11:22 AM |
 Group: Contributor Posts: Joined: Fri Apr 27 2007 Status: Offline | Part me thinks that talk of play-offs is far too premature and highly unlikely, James, but I've never known a division so evenly matched, so do we try to make the most of that and invest even more money during the transfer window and really go for the play-offs? I honestly don't know - my heart says yes but my brain thinks we should just make do with what we've got and just see what happens. |
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| MR_HUTCHIE | Nov 12 2007, 11:23 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 10 2007 Status: Offline | When you consider one of them in the 24 id Freer who is only part time now i believe then yes it does look thin on paper but we have 200k sitting in the bank in case a Head or Jensen pop up Keeping Horne would also have restricted the first team chances of Burnett as GH would have beenabove him in the pecking order if it comes down to back up players And as we have seen with Hall & Houghton these young lads need to be gien the break and the earlier it is the better they develop |
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| James_Smailes | Nov 12 2007, 11:28 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 31 2007 Status: Offline | Quote: hullfcer at Nov 12 2007, 12:22 PM wrote I suppose the obvious assumption then would be to assume he signed Graeme Horne to play it safe should he of failed to acquire cover for Centre. As a keen follower of the acadmey i implore you to attend half a dozen academy games and half a dozen NL2 games and re-access your call that NL2 is a better place for him to be, with the exception of a few clubs. Any idea when the new boys arrive, i understand training gets underway today? I know the academy, particularly at Hull is of a good standard, but teh competition is a farce in my opinion. Too many teams don't bother taking it seriously, games get called off on short notice, sometimes you can go 2 or 3 weeks without a match. At least NL2 guarantees Horne regular match practice while the quality may not be very high. It will toughen him up, that's for sure. Training started today, although i went down to Brantingham on Friday and Kingy, Rich Whiting and Rich Horne were all there training alongside the young lads Wheeldon, Washy, Hall, Lee, Dale, Burnett, Freer and Houghton. They have been in for 2 weeks now. Dykes arrives next week, Byrne the week after and Berrigan the first week in December, at least that was the plan the last time I checked with the club. |
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| hullfcer | Nov 12 2007, 11:28 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Wed Jun 27 2007 Status: Offline | I think Tom Briscoe would be allocated a number in that instance and agree with Hutchie that pushing Mike Burnett up the ascendency is certainly no bad thing. |
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| James_Smailes | Nov 12 2007, 11:30 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 31 2007 Status: Offline | Quote: _Monkey_ at Nov 12 2007, 12:22 PM wrote Part me thinks that talk of play-offs is far too premature and highly unlikely, James, but I've never known a division so evenly matched, so do we try to make the most of that and invest even more money during the transfer window and really go for the play-offs? I honestly don't know - my heart says yes but my brain thinks we should just make do with what we've got and just see what happens. It's a tricky one Monkey, because you don't want to make the club financially unstable by spending even more money, only for it to not pay-off, but if they are in teh top 10 come January and with the division so tight, it would be hard to not risk going for it. Where would you strengthen though, who could you bring in, a new left back possibly, but Delaney seems to have done a good job there? |
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| James_Smailes | Nov 12 2007, 11:32 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 31 2007 Status: Offline | Quote: MR_HUTCHIE at Nov 12 2007, 12:23 PM wrote When you consider one of them in the 24 id Freer who is only part time now i believe then yes it does look thin on paper but we have 200k sitting in the bank in case a Head or Jensen pop up Keeping Horne would also have restricted the first team chances of Burnett as GH would have beenabove him in the pecking order if it comes down to back up players And as we have seen with Hall & Houghton these young lads need to be gien the break and the earlier it is the better they develop With regard to Houghton, should he be sent on loan for a few months to get more experience, or is it better to keep him at the club and let him train alongside Berrigan, surely that is the best experience he can get? |
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| MR_HUTCHIE | Nov 12 2007, 11:32 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 10 2007 Status: Offline | Quote: hullfcer at Nov 12 2007, 12:22 PM wrote As a keen follower of the acadmey i implore you to attend half a dozen academy games and half a dozen NL2 games and re-access your call that NL2 is a better place for him to be, with the exception of a few clubs. sorry but i agree it is, he still needs to learn and cutting it up in a very well organised U21 at Hull will not bring him on that much imgho and its an easy option to stick him on the bench in first team and playing the odd 20 does not help him too much too he has played 80 first team games and only started 10 for info |
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| James_Smailes | Nov 12 2007, 11:33 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 31 2007 Status: Offline | Quote: hullfcer at Nov 12 2007, 12:28 PM wrote I think Tom Briscoe would be allocated a number in that instance and agree with Hutchie that pushing Mike Burnett up the ascendency is certainly no bad thing. Briscoe isn't a full time member of the squad until 2009 and is only training part time, surely Hull can't rely on him to fill in if needed. It is too early and could even end up setting the young lad back. |
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| hullfcer | Nov 12 2007, 11:37 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Wed Jun 27 2007 Status: Offline | that's a conundrum, stay at Hull and train with arguably the best Hooker in modern day Rugby League or go out on loan and pick up some real game experience. If he were to be loaned at to NL1 i would fvaour this in view of the fact Berrigan is on a 4 year deal, i personally feel Houghton is only a season away from being ready so a loan would be favourable to me providing it was to a club that would train and use him in keeping with his development. |
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| MR_HUTCHIE | Nov 12 2007, 11:38 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu May 10 2007 Status: Offline | Quote: James_Smailes at Nov 12 2007, 12:32 PM wrote [With regard to Houghton, should he be sent on loan for a few months to get more experience, or is it better to keep him at the club and let him train alongside Berrigan, surely that is the best experience he can get? Like Thackery last year when he went to York he would still train with Hull during the day and learn off berro and knowing Danny he would give Berro some tips too  Keep him here till Easter than assess where we are and whats going on He could then go out but train at Hull daytime and do 2/3 sessions with whoever on a night |
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| hullfcer | Nov 12 2007, 11:40 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Wed Jun 27 2007 Status: Offline | Only derived my answer largely through Sharpes comments that he is physically ready now, just needs the game experience. Seen him in the academy and looks amazing, granted he is one year younger then i relised. |
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