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owyoodoin  |  Jan 27 2008, 19:19 PM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007 Status: Offline Last Edit: 27 Jan 2008, 19:20 | Now then,see, I 'ope that this can be a serious corner of the forum, where tecnique and that can be discussed. I done a bit of propping in the valleys,see, and now there's not much to do on the allotment I thought I'd give it another go, but I'm a bit rusty,like, and need a bit of advice. 1/ With this new crouch, touch, pause, engage nonesense whats the protocol; do you nut him on the pause or wait for the engage? 2/ If your second row isn't pushing in the scrum is it OK to lift him in the line-out and then just let go? 3/ Do you still have to tell the tight head to bind properly before giving him a slap? 4/ What's the best colour boots to prop in? 5/ Being welsh, is it best to perm my hair and answer to Jones if I want to get on? I 'ope you boys can help,see, I'm keen as mustard. No replies from backs, thanks |
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| Greggers | Jan 27 2008, 19:28 PM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Mon Oct 8 2007 Status: Offline | 1. with the new system the nutting is a bit of a surprise factor. 2. I'm a prop and haven't been bright enough to work this out before. noted and will be adopting this for the Wharfedale game. If they still don't push is it acceptable to tip them over as well? 3. nobodies ever told me how to bind properly so I'm not in a position to slap anyone. 4. I've seen some wearing white boots. I don't get it. 5. we thought you just had to be called Birchy but that went out the window at the weekend. |
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| alloallo | Jan 27 2008, 19:35 PM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Sun Oct 28 2007 Status: Offline | From what I remember of welsh props they were all back rows who got fat and couldn't run around enough to get involved in rucks and mauls - if you want the dark art then do it after ball has gone from scrum - ref and flag wavers have gone by then - (still got a pair of Patrick flankers in the garage if you want some proper boots to scrum in.) Just in case you get a run in the seconds they playing Wharfdale next week so you will be at home talking about sheep after the game - make a change from talking pig farming with cyril 50 anyway |
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| theinsider | Jan 28 2008, 07:18 AM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Tue Jan 15 2008 Status: Offline | I agree with alloallo, Props are backrow that got fat ie al bateson and rich gregerson. As a person who jumps in the line-out occasionally i didnt realise props could lift, do they? i thought this was a time for the fattys to stare at the ground and try and drag air in through there big a**es. Do props know they can tackle and get involved in the game or have they just come to practice the dark arts? props are a very strange bread and worth avoiding in the bar afterwards when they will describe how they stuffed there opposite number as they dribble there pint and get ready to go back in their cage for another week. |
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| owyoodoin | Jan 28 2008, 17:43 PM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007 Status: Offline | insider I asked for no replies from backs,see.Hardest place in the world, front row.Men all them boys are, see. I once popped a rib in the warm up but still played the full 80 minutes, screwed my opposite number and took 3 against the head, lost 69 - 0, stood my round and nipped to the vets for treatment. Any other true stories from front row brethren? |
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| rhydian2 | Jan 28 2008, 17:57 PM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Wed Dec 19 2007 Status: Offline | Sounds like greggers can give us the best advice after this weekend. The report suggests he can actually scrummage....strange  |
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| Greggers | Jan 28 2008, 20:17 PM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Mon Oct 8 2007 Status: Offline | I didn't write the report and never claimed I could scrummage. I'm prop shaped so play at prop. What i will say is that following the phone call I received on Friday I was expected to have my head shoved up my **** and it didn't happen. The guy came with a reputation (from Krebsy so if you didn't take it with a pinch of salt more fool you) and it was either false or I did OK. I've only had my head shoved up my **** once this season, against that little old fella from York, so the standard of props isn't what it once was or my self taught technique isn't as bad as some believe. Now watch, some lad from Wharfedale will turn up at the weekend and make it twice.  |
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| alloallo | Jan 28 2008, 21:01 PM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Sun Oct 28 2007 Status: Offline | look ere see - havin watched EPSN tonight and the best front row that ever came out of Wales - all from Pontypool and not an 'O' level between 'em . It has inspired the coaching element - all you need is a strong back, neck and legs and don't mind yer face getting a few scars and you'll make a front row - That's why ziggy never became an hooker ??? Leave all that tackling melarky to the fancy dan backs and back rows - We get you the ball and you either score with it or muck it up and we have to start again. ANY moaners want to try it for a few weeks - they don't come back or have mysterious aunties who are ill and can't make it if there is any danger of being promoted to the front row. |
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| cyril50 | Jan 29 2008, 05:35 AM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu Oct 11 2007 Status: Offline | owyoodoin, how are You doing? Interesting questions, but it shows how long it is since you last played in the front row, it's all sweetness and light these days, however ; Nutting is no longer acceptable Any second row who pushes in the scrum is generally too heavy to lift Slapping is no longer acceptable The ultimate boots must be Nike Mercurial Vapor IV SG Orange( Rugby World mag. p156), ideal for the front row, and a snip @ £119.99 Aren't all fleeces curly? |
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| Paul_Tremere | Jan 29 2008, 10:34 AM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu Oct 4 2007 Status: Offline | What do you mean Cryil 50? Has skill replaced skulduggery anf fitness thuggery? Seriously, what has happened to strikes against the head? (Not strikes to the head)Can't remember when I last saw one. When I were a lad, if you didn't get them the tighthead was a ******. (not trying very hard). |
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| alloallo | Jan 29 2008, 11:57 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Sun Oct 28 2007 Status: Offline | You'd best get down to see the Hawks - from Cyril50 and Hawksman's reports regular occurance strikes against the head - hate to say it but forthy taught his lads well, and they can throw in better than he ever could. Not that they will ever admit it but all strkes against head comes from the tight head doing his stuff - if the ref's allow it and its anywhere near the middle. Simmy often lost it when dangling the ball and it gets tapped out his hand by a quick thinking tight head???? - yes there are such beasts.... |
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| xfactor | Jan 29 2008, 12:21 PM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Sun Oct 28 2007 Status: Offline Last Edit: 29 Jan 2008, 13:58 | Someone tells me, that they do not allow teeth contact these days, tut tut |
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| notstraight | Jan 29 2008, 12:23 PM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Thu Nov 22 2007 Status: Offline | Dont talk about scrummaging when you know nowt about it ! Better off talking about ginners. Whats the best ginger XV we av ever ad ? |
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| Fullbodiedred | Jan 30 2008, 10:03 AM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Mon Nov 12 2007 Status: Offline | Paul Tremere - doesn't look as if there are any "Dark Arts" (unless you're a devotee of Harry Potter) anymore. Maybe it's something to do with refs allowing feeding by scrum halves and the clear views we all get of scrums on TV. Also there are fewer scrums and more line-outs than there were - not much skulduggery there either as both packs are kept far apart. Don't you think it makes for a more enjoyable game? |
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| alloallo | Jan 30 2008, 15:51 PM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Sun Oct 28 2007 Status: Offline | Only if your not a front row forward - They say its for safety but for me there is too much involvement by the officials - should only get involved if its a mismatch or it flares up. That is why the props are giants these days - all they need is muscle and brawn - bigger does not always mean better - Jeff Probyn and Darren Garforth were minute compared to the likes of Sheriden. |
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| bringbackash | Jan 30 2008, 16:23 PM |
 Group: Member Posts: Joined: Fri Oct 19 2007 Status: Offline | The Props in the 1st team are minute, in comparison to Greggars  |
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| Greggers | Jan 30 2008, 17:57 PM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Mon Oct 8 2007 Status: Offline | I'm going to have to do a tally up of the proportion of bringbackashes posts that relate to me. I think its an obsession. |
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| bringbackash | Jan 30 2008, 18:54 PM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Fri Oct 19 2007 Status: Offline | Don't bother its 52. getting you back from the heckling I got at the Batley Variety Club |
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| owyoodoin | Jan 30 2008, 21:51 PM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007 Status: Offline | owyoodoin boys, bought myself some new boots, blue ones they are, so I'm ready to go. talking to my cousin Blodwin and he says that sometimes on the engage signal some props give a sly slap and its not unknown for some nipping to go on when their binding, think I'll take the boots back. |
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| alloallo | Jan 31 2008, 15:55 PM |
Group: Member Posts: Joined: Sun Oct 28 2007 Status: Offline | I see on the latest Rugby Union sites certain quarters are trying to remove the scrum from our game - what we don't want is a watered down version of the game or god forbid a 15 man game of rugby league. As daft as it sounds those boots - owyoodoin - may be a source of the collapsed scrums - proper forwards boots help to keep your feet slipping and stop the collapsing scrum. don't include the backs they wouldn't understand?? |
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